Origami & Threads (Or spyderman Style)

Profo Won

well there is a debate about that

when i speak im speaking from an outside perspective

i first wanna say im not from canada im from california

i have done my research and im cool with Dyzee and Gadget

so this is what i see from where i stand

according to the Boogie Bratz

Gadget and Megas created the style called Origami

according to Supernatuals

Lego from Supernatz created a certin thread style

Megas used to be Supernatz before Boogie Bratz

so thats why there is this conflict on who started what

IMPO

i feel like in any scene people will influence each other just cause that region holds a certin energy

this is before youtube so all you had was each other

when you cypher or even battle another crew some traits will rub off on you even if you are not aware of it

the best is to talk to Gadget and Dyzee to find out

the middle ground!

Thats my take on it!

Micah Vr

If you're referring to threading- that was not origami...origami was Boogie Brats approach to breaking that incorporated threading, but a large part were things that we learned from watching storm that became evident in our crews style (hence why a lot of the flow is similar to what storm was on...very inspired by storm)...a lot of rocking to the back and how he used going to the back to transition and connect footwork and power with great fluidness) People confuse what Boogie Brats knew and called origami as threading. Threading was a part of it and a huge part of Toronto's scene all together. As per Mr. Wiggles, the true name to be given to threading is Spiderman Footwork, which it should be called. The name origami was a Boogie Brat term for our overall approach that was heavy on threading, transitions and flow learned by watching storm and how we connected it into power and the overall dance. That is the Boogie Brat explanation that somehow got misunderstood over the years- we never invented threading and threading should be called Spiderman Footwork as Mr. Wiggles laid it down. Cheers ;-)

Micah Vr

Profo: origami was a name given by me- the approach was mainly a result of both Megas and I, but I could not rule out my younger brother (Jesse) Mighty Mouse, the Toronto scene that inspired that and Storm.

Profo Won

Word up! Thanks Micah for givin the insight!

Cuz to me i can see the difference from each crew from T-Dot

If you look closely Bag of Trix, SuperNatz, DDT,and Boogie Bratz all had a different flow and use of threads!

But the main thing i would say is that T-Dots approach to threads!

There were a few here and there but not so concentrated consciousness of it than T-Dot

Micah Vr

Word Profo- I remember being a kid and seeing Bag of Trix doing a lot of threading...huge part of Toronto...and it was in Toronto where Wiggles came and clarified the origins of it in footwork and bboying.

Karl Olivier Dyzee Alba

This is a good post, and Im glad there is some middle ground on here. If we are talking about Threading styles, here is how I saw it.

Bag of Trix (specifically Gizmo) pioneered quite a few Threads. The way he did it was as a move, by doing three consecutive threads of the same move.

Lego, was the first guy to take multiple threadz in a continuous complexed patern, which started the whole mentality of Threading as a complexed illusion. He and stripes pioneered many of the steps people are doing today such as the Legoleg, Deadleg, Leg-O's, knee threads, leg wraps, and Arm threads.

Boogiebrats, pioneered the (swing through) Threads, and mixed it with power and flow "Origami".

The best thing to do is take a look at old footage to see exactly who was doing what, and how they did it.

Fredrick Freeze Herranen

Hey,

really dope information coming out here.

I try to break things down as i saw it n what i know.

I think thread styles is something that was done by a lot of people as a move ( u know when u grab ur foot n just jump threw the loop. Backwards or forwards). This is something that was done a lot in northern Europé thru the early 80´s. Nico from Throw Down did it laying down by threading his foot back n forth and then back to footwork. Hed did this in the middle 80´s as i recall. I started doing a thread go down to a back rock thread combo during the same period. This is a round 85-86. I spoke to Wiggles a couple a years ago n as i recall it he n somebody from Floormasters later NYC Breakers had a threading style. Would be mad dope if Brother Wiggs could go deeper on this. Cause i think they might have been some of the first ones who explored it into a style ?

I also know that the brothers from Atomic B-Boy´s was heavy into threading in the early 90´s there style wasnt smooth n flowy like the rest of us. It was more angels n hard hitted.

This was before we saw Gizmo from Bag of Trix, Boogie Bratz n Super Naturals. Them brothers evolved this stuff to another level. Wich inspired us to go deeper. I think we started seeing the Canadians around mid to late 90´s ( gotta check that thoe). Thx Dyzze n Crazy Smooth for givin me some knowledge from there.

Profo, how u doing brother?

Well as i know from speaking to Poe who actually was into Actual Force and Karim Barouche, Pascal Blais, brother Laos etc. They got influenced by the documentary one hour with Rock Steady. In that movie Kuriaki N Buck 4 (RIP). Did a lot of Sweeps. This ive been told was a big influence to what Actual Force And Paris City Breakers did. When they started using it as a concept to create moves n flow Thx Ness and Poe for helping me with that puzzel. I also talked to Karim n he said that they tried to mimic animal movements. In Karims case a cat.

When we saw this flow, wich was a very flowy style compared to what our inspirations at that time was doing, early 80´s NYC Breakers, RSC, Dynamic, Magnificent and Incredible who had more of a footwork Bronx feel to what they did. We was inspired because it was different. We got into it and started building. The term leg work i heard from Ness first time. We called it Sweep Combos and Storm called it Pretzels.

So a lot of whats being done has been done before Things evolve different in different places. Props and maad respect to the originators, creators and people who inspire to re: inspire.

Thx for the overstanding n help to dig deeper, Laos, Karim, Pascal, Poe, Ness, Wiggles, Atomic B-Boys, Storm, Swift, Maurizio, Ken Swift, Dyzze.

PZ

Freeze

Ghost Crew